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    Internet Exchange in Scotland

    OK well the latest LINX Newsletter (HotLINX 34) made it official for me, an Internet exchange will be coming to Scotland in the autumn.

    Do you think this will have much of an impact? I really don't this has much of effect on many web sites host but traffic but it could however help improve services such as VoIP.

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    Just in time for Scottish Independence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David_Host surf UK View Post
    OK well the latest LINX Newsletter (HotLINX 34) made it official for me, an Internet exchange will be coming to Scotland in the autumn.

    Do you think this will have much of an impact? I really don't this has much of effect on many web sites host but traffic but it could however help improve services such as VoIP.
    The problem I see with this is that unless you can get the mainstream carriers to peer there, the traffic is still going to trombone to Mcr or Ldn.

    Leeds has one, there are about 30 companies on it roughly, but neither BT/VM/TT peer there, and unless you are handing off your own connectivity to your DC, the "average" customers xDSL/whatever is going to drop in London.

    We are somewhat lucky as we peer with VM in both our DC and London and traffic is regionally split - my home cable line is 2ms to the DC, but if we didn't peer in Leeds it would be 9 over VM to London and then another 6 back over our waves to the DC.

    There are certainly some minor advantages, we've got Janet on peering in Leeds but pretty much all of the rest are IMO a waste of time.

    Personally I would have thought the main benefit to you if you get your transit locally in Scotland is the ability to have direct sessions with others without coughing up yourselves to get to London..
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    I just checked our the members list of LeedsIX is quite bad. The Scottish governments view on this is build it and they will come. Has this happened in Manchester?

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    LINX's IXManchester has got a bit of traction and is doing 6-8Gbps https://stats.linx.net/cgi-pub/excha...anchester.bits but that's nothing compared to LINX's two London LANs.

    I uneerstand that BT are in the process of re-engineering part of their network so that they are in a position to join.

    To be honest, UK public peering outside of LINX's two London LANs is pretty low volume, even in London. The closest is probably LONAP with ~30Gbps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete-CCS View Post
    The problem I see with this is that unless you can get the mainstream carriers to peer there, the traffic is still going to trombone to Mcr or Ldn..
    Really would have to agree with this for many things a certain amount of 'critical mass' is required. A example is a 'hub' of anything a financial center, a 'tech' roundabout (haha) ect it can also be seen in transport hubs in general - weather you are moving bits, trains, planes ect it is almost irrelevant - heathrow is where you go to get a connecting flight, euston for a train into/out of london, docklands for bits.

    It would be trivial for example for VM to join IX-leeds they just need to have a 1G interface on a leeds router or transport link and light a fiber going into AQL but what would be the point? To set up a dozen bgp sessions and move say 500mbit of traffic if lucky? There are exceptions for example Ja.net who are very good at not only turning up to any reasonable peering exchange and accepting any reasonable peering request but actually actively reshaping their network for local exchanges for example with Janet6. But they alone aren't enough to create that mass even with virgin media and a some other high traffic networks like m24/7,CWW, UKF, Zen ect IX manchester only moves about 8gbit or so and I mean so what I can get 10gig back to london for less than the rack fees, switch/router costs, X-connect fees ect that LINX/members will be paying for.

    If local internet exchanges are to properly work I think there should be agreement between say at least 3-4 BIG Isp's to connect and exchange say VM,BT,Ja.net and one or two more as well as 6-7 medium/smaller player like say gamma, ask4, zen ect so maybe with some sort of traffic projections from those providers of at least say 9-10gig exchanging publicly from Q1. I know this is unpopular here of all places but the opinions of a small providers should matter very little when establishing a internet exchange if they are only likely to bring 10's of mbit or even 100mbit to the table frankly they are not worth worrying about. As far as I am aware apart from ja.net no MAJOR carriers have signed up despite BT, thus, expo-e, Verizon,L3, CWW, cogent ect being onet. I mean there is even a submarine cable that terminates there! So while I do like the idea a 'build it and they will come' attitude is unlikely to be successful as nobody will come because nobody else of note is there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by connected View Post
    As far as I am aware apart from ja.net no MAJOR carriers have signed up despite BT, thus, expo-e, Verizon,L3, CWW, cogent ect being onet. I mean there is even a submarine cable that terminates there!
    Where?
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    Scolocate i.e IX-Scotland

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    Quote Originally Posted by connected View Post
    Scolocate i.e IX-Scotland
    Never knew that. Can you provide me the name? Can't find any info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David_Host surf UK View Post
    Never knew that. Can you provide me the name? Can't find any info.
    It doesn't exist yet, LINX are in the process of setting it up.
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    I was talking about the submarine cable .

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    Quote Originally Posted by David_Host surf UK View Post
    I was talking about the submarine cable .
    Ah, better quoting needed

    That'll be the FARICE cable which lands at Castletown in the Scottish Highlands and is then backhauled to Edinburgh by THUS (now C&W/Vodafone).
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    im not sure if there is enough demand for it. From a carrier point of view traffic levels in both our sites (Edinburgh and Glasgow) are much lower than expected, in fact in Glasgow we've just signed the first 10GE order despite onsite for 5 years.
    We seem to have quite a few Scottish companies take transit from Manchester or London.

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    @pdw8 - I presume you are from Cogent then? But yes there really is only a tiny amount of content traffic generated or handed off in Scotland.

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    It's likely that BT/VM/TT/Sky/BBC/Janet etc all will be peering in due course on this new Edinburgh exchange.

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