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Old 17th March 2008   #1 (permalink)
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UK VS USA ...let the games begin..

Fearful as I might be entering such an expert arena I have plucked up the courage to ask those of wisdom and extreme knowlegde for help.

US servers are cheap, UK servers are a rip off! - Ok established.

Here is my scientific thinking process and tell me what you think... I will owe you a beer or three.

UK Server costs £X and has X bandwidth and X spec for X

US Server has a millisecond delay, but for cheaper offers X better hardware, X better bandwidth.

So part one of the question is .. does this balance it out..

For example I am running a single core with VI.net for £153 a month with old fashioned hardware and its pretty slow on page loads. But I can get Dual Core, better drives and better speed CPU for $200 in the US.

Second part of my question is there are these silly rumours that IP locations affect the Google listing and thus if your visitors are UK based then you will not show up as a .com on Google. As you know you cannot access Google.com from the UK it auto redirects to the .co.uk and according to this rumour only shows UK IP sites!

So that being the case, How when I type Nike into google do I see the US hosted site on the front page.

Surely Google is about back links, traffic etc etc rather than if the persons server is in the correct back garden?

If I wanted to host in the US because it is much more sensible am I about to commit business suicide if my user base initially is the UK?

Please do help and you will feel all warm and highly make my day!!!!
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I think the issue is mainly more to be with;

In the UK there are a lot of smaller hosting companies and few larger ones, in the US there are fewer smaller hosting companies and more larger ones.

Then the hardware is cheaper in the US, and they typically install non rackmount servers, and the uk installs rackmount servers.

Also there are many uk offers on par with most US offers these days as well. If you are paying £153 a month at VI.net for a lame server, perhaps you are with the wrong company? Or the hardware is more expensive version than you are comparing to.
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I love the experts. They rule! However the main UK large hosters which shall remain namless for legal reasons..have the most appalling reviews enough to scare the richest man on the planet...I note your very good concern. Yet it is only one of your advertisers so far who ave been able to match and beat what I have... There were two UK known high profile companys... once called something SPACE who wouldnt touch me unless I wanted to spend £300 a month. Another cheap option is a national name and tey do have some gear! But I checked the reviews and there were 130 really P887ed of people... What car doesnt even have that many upset car owners for even the worst car!!!
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You're talking 100+ms delay to the states.
You're talking cheaper that haf of $200 for a better spec server in the UK than you reference with the right provider.
Google does differentiate based on country.

So.. remind me again, why is it suicide to host here? and sensible to host half way around the world (unless you're client demographic is over there too!)

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There's also the data protection act to consider; export of data to other countries etc. Then the "ease" factor; they're awake at the same time as you, local phone numbers, no problems with exchange rates, same country for legal proceedings (hope it won't happen, but...) etc etc.

The places you're looking in the UK don't sound like the places you should be looking.
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To show up for google in the uk you either need a uk ip address or a .co.uk domain name.

The Uk on the whole averages out as more expensive for the same quality.

I'm sure there are some quality providers over here that are very close but they aren't as easily found as in the USA.

We have been looking for server rental/colo over here for nigh two months and still haven't found a company that comes anywhere near usa pricing(server rental) or is even half as competent.
But I am sure there are some out there still and we will find the right ones eventually.
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You're just not looking in the right places!
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You're just not looking in the right places!
If only there was someone on this board who ran a good company that could offer such services....


And if there was a way they could advertise such services to me without blatantly doing so...


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Why not look at the big red advert on the top of the forum? This is offering a decent spec server in the UK at a good price from a company that's been in business for 10 years! Why not read people's sigs or look through the offers section or even read through the replies to other people's request posts.

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If only there was someone on this board who ran a good company that could offer such services....


And if there was a way they could advertise such services to me without blatantly doing so...


Shame...
I'm not a host and can tell you there are PLENTY of dedicated server companies that will match and most likely beat the level of service offered in the states.

No matter how you dress it, if your audience is in the UK then it is best to host UK.
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Don't get me started on this hardware / costs thing again

As someone has already said you can get a great deal from the red banner at the top of the page and there are others here with great prices too.

If value is your main consideration when purchasing a server then you have to factor in support too. If the hardware or network fails or you have some intermittent problem would you be able to contact and converse with a support droid in Atlanta as easy as you would in the UK?
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49pence do servers for £50/month with like 10TB of data transfer. You might as well call it unlimited because I'm sure most people will never come close to that sort of transfer. Never heard a bad word said about them either.

I'm not endorsing them in anyway but just to prove a point, there are suppliers in the UK that beat the deals in US even taking into account the piss poor dollar. 49pence arent the only ones either.
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I have to say whoever hosts this forum should be a rich man! To have this amount of content in a matter of hours is astonishing as a measure of intelligent users!!!! Not only that but helpful.

Point two Notes: I did one of those special reports last night with a Tech man where you research the actual location of a site, and we conducted a number of Google searches for items or businesses we know to be in the US. These did show up in Google. We also considered the factor that if "Joe" wants to find a hotel or company in America and types in the brand name to the search this is still shown in the Google.co.uk listing. Yes granted there are potentially IP policies in place. But geographically limiting the searches would almost render the google a rather useless Local Yellow pages. Similarly when looking at sites like CNN which are clearly located in the US ( we checked with the google map and IP trace ) this is still shown in Google.co.uk
Hence I am now thinking that the IP based Google algorythm policy is an unproven theory. Yes those sites with Relays in the UK like Amazon will auto redirect you tothe UK servers using a Google search but the .com is still the 3rd option down. Perhaps in this case my purchasing the .co.uk domains also will potentially allow me to redirect customers.

Point one notes: I love the sarcasm, and his none offence when he was hinting to sell me something. However I have sent an email to his company to see how they react to my questions ( buying signals ) More appropriately I did also check out the big red banner, who paid to get my lead! And sadly they are inept at reading a customers email and responding in a specific way to my questions. Which when using Host Gator for example I have not had. Again I am waiting for an email back from the big red company.. as I was less than impressed with a "I don't know" or "Cannot confirm" type email. Rule number one in sales... qualify the clients needs, but never say "I don't know" However this is one person and hence I dont wish to vilify their repute on here as they seem to have a good product offering on the surface.

Irritatingly from others they are unable to show me examples due to the data protection act. Which is the daftest sales principal on the planet. If I plan to spend £1200 on a settee in DFS I am not going to buy a picture or list of colours and spec. There is no hard ship offering a cleint a discount to provide them with a reference portal.

I will also check 49pence although the company name scares me alot! Its like buying a car from a company called Cheapcars.
Again this is only my opinion and I make this joke with no knowledge or experience of the company , nor would I deter anyone from using the company.

As for the time difference this is of less importance. As I am happy to speak to someone at 9pm at night who would be there rather than someone in Reading who is behind a call centre. But yes preferably if I can find this in the UK and I like them and their politeness then I am buying

By all means if you have experience, URLS, or prices to share please do. There is nothing wrong with recommendations.

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My last post has not been posted perhaps the moderator wasnt keen on it....HMPF

Well the google thing might be a myth. We did a check for US sites from .co.uk and noted there not to be too much of an issue! We did a whole evening on tracing IPs etc which was very boring!

As for the other deals, it seems that many cannot offer what they say they can, read an email or have the sales ability of a buffoon!

It is also really daft that one cannot show example sites in their sales process the data protection act is not really enough of an excuse.

Its amusing I have spoken with the relevant people you speak of and I will report back but so far.. not brilliant although Jamies company are very fast at responding.

Perhaps I can share some sales tips in return for this tech intelligence. For certain most of the companies I am dealing with could do with some pointers!
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