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    looking for a new host thinking of cloud

    i have a ecommerce site and i need a new host

    i did not want any down time so i was looking at cloud hosting

    i am using around 300gig of bandwith at the moment p/m from around 140,000 visits pm

    looking for a good host with uk data centers - any recommendations ?

    what ram and spec do you think i should be aiming for ? (storage not a prob)

    or do you think i am better off with a dedicated server or vds ?

    thanks jon

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    Are you looking for a Windows or Linux based OS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsam View Post
    what ram and spec do you think i should be aiming for ? (storage not a prob)
    What is your ecommerce site written in ? Is it using an off-the-shelf product ?
    Are you capable of managing a server/vps/vds/cloud instance or do you want a managed service ?
    Will you want more than just the site - i.e. other services like email, etc ?

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    'Cloud' is primarily a marketing term - from a technical point of view there are many different implementations so ensure you research before you buy - depending on budget I'd recommed at least a high-spec virtual server or two, or a dedicated server of course. Beware of low-end SAN-based VDS products because generally you get what you pay for (eg take a look through the history on Vps.net's status page)

    (And before other hosts complain, I've been at the sharp end of a lot of those issues)

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    Quote Originally Posted by domtaylor View Post
    Beware of low-end SAN-based VDS products because generally you get what you pay for (eg take a look through the history on Vps.net's status page)

    (And before other hosts complain, I've been at the sharp end of a lot of those issues)
    Agreed, avoid any service based on home made SANs like the plague, there's a couple of "cloud" providers out there (including VPS.net as Dom mentioned) cutting costs by using these kind of systems and they've had quite a bit of downtime and even data loss as a result.

    Also beware that some "cloud" systems are simply your average VPS with per-hour usage based billing and have no technical advantage over other VPS providers in terms of redundancy etc. - there's nothing wrong with this (as long as you aren't paying over the odds for it), but IMHO this isn't really "cloud" and the kind of providers that sell this sort of product tend not to make it overly clear what you get compared to the more traditional Infrastructure as a Service cloud providers who have centralised storage with real SANs for high availability.
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    In fairness to vps.net I believe they're replacing some of the older stuff with newer stuff, and they have been pioneers of the mass-market cloud....but even recently some clients of ours had 5h+ downtime due to a DC issue (aircon failure?).

    I think some cloud providers are good for testing (indeed vps.net have lots of features but don't actually have an SLA) and development, but for business use it's essential to check the exact implementation and SLAs offered (eg, with proper implementations such as ESXi virtualised/cloud systems can be great - we have a virtualised system with another supplier (as an offsite backup) which has had complete 100% uptime for almost 2 years, it's pricier but worth it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by domtaylor View Post
    but even recently some clients of ours had 5h+ downtime due to a DC issue (aircon failure?).
    Yup, air-con failure in the VPS.net section of the UK2 Canning Town data centre about 2 weeks ago, they had to switch everything off to get the temperature back down - VPS.NET Status Blog

    Quote Originally Posted by domtaylor View Post
    I think some cloud providers are good for testing (indeed vps.net have lots of features but don't actually have an SLA) and development, but for business use it's essential to check the exact implementation and SLAs offered (eg, with proper implementations such as ESXi virtualised/cloud systems can be great - we have a virtualised system with another supplier (as an offsite backup) which has had complete 100% uptime for almost 2 years, it's pricier but worth it)
    As we both know, you get what you pay for and it's important to check for snake oil
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    If you pop a post in the Requests for Products and Services section I'm sure you'll get replies from a few providers.
    [Any views expressed on this forum are my own, and may not represent the views of any organisation that I own or am connected with.]

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    thanks for the replies

    i think i want Linux based
    the sites on php with mysql db
    are you saying hosts are reselling from VPS.NET Cloud Hosting, Cloud Servers and Content Delivery Network ?

    I DID talk to someone from Serverstream.com and i was trying to make sure i am doing the right thing going for a cloud

    my sites on a a shared hosting from go daddy and is working lovely but i wanted to move before i start getting problems as its still growing

    i am concerned about migrating and when i move i just want to stay there

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    The site is php with mysql db

    I have it hosted now on godaddy shared hosting and it works fine

    But it's still growing and I dont want any probs at Xmas

    So I am moving b4 any probs start

    I did call jamies company and talk to some one in sales b4 I made this post

    But I did not do much research yet

    I like how you can scale cloud hosting but I guess you can do that with vps right .?

    Is there a lot of resellers of vps.net ?

    Is silverlake one of them ?

    Thanks for he replys

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    If you have any queries of a more technical nature (The sales guys and girls are all VMWare Sales Trained / In Training but Obviously myself and the tech team will know a little more ;P ) then by all means drop me an email.

    It all depends what you're looking for, High Availability high SLA Cloud, or cheap low end budget cloud / VPS.

    I dont know if VPS.net supports live HOT Add of CPU and RAM like our cloud does, you'd need to ask them.

    Why would you want to deal with a reseller when you can deal direct instead.. resellers take a slice of profit from you and add an extra layer of complexity and hassle (in my experience!)
    [Any views expressed on this forum are my own, and may not represent the views of any organisation that I own or am connected with.]

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    >The site is php with mysql db

    So LAMP hosting would be ideal

    >I like how you can scale cloud hosting but I guess you can do that with vps right .?

    With some VPS yes, there are lots of definitions of "cloud" but the _common_ acceptance seems to be at least virtualised machines with shared storage - so in the main this would allow scaling.

    You also have to accept if moving to "cloud" rather than say a dedicated solution, is that vps/cloud will always be slower than dedicated hardware of the same specification (due to the virtualisation overheads) and disk i/o can be considerably worse depending on the architecture used by the provider

    And if you're going for PCI Compliance as a Merchant who takes/stores card-details, cloud is not an acceptable solution, although neither is shared/semi-dedicated hosting.

    All clouds are based on vps, not all vps are clouds

    Its horse-for-course, so some tasks a cloud solution is ideal, for some it's completely unsuitable, for many it's wokrable but simply not the best solution.

    >Is silverlake one of them ?

    who ?

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    Sorry i mean silverstream
    What I was tring to get at was is silver stream a reseller of vps.net but now jamies told me

    Is there much difference between different hosts connection the the net ? Or are they all about the same and dose that play much of a part in page load times ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsam View Post
    Is there much difference between different hosts connection the the net
    Yes, massive differences - location, upstreams, whether they have their own network/are downstream of someone elses/dont have a network at all
    Then all the questions about overselling, overcommiting, contention, rate-limiting ...

    Quote Originally Posted by jonsam View Post
    and dose that play much of a part in page load times ?
    It can play a part in element transfer time - page-load is very subjective, 2 different browsers on the same machine can load the page in different times, 2 people using teh same browser on different laptops on the same home-router can load it in different times

    A busy network (BT DSL has been appalling today I gather) at the client-end, will cause issues as well.

    Currently you're on shared-hosting, so performance is at the whim of the level of "stuffing" your particular host is well known for - cramming thousands of sites on a single server, plus it's stateside, so _probably_ 150ms away from where your visitors are.

    You'd see an enormous increase in performance/decrease in delivery time simply going to a UK based, non-oversold shared host.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsam View Post
    Sorry i mean silverstream
    What I was tring to get at was is silver stream a reseller of vps.net but now jamies told me

    Is there much difference between different hosts connection the the net ? Or are they all about the same and dose that play much of a part in page load times ?
    There can be huge differences, some will be resellers of resellers, some will be out in the middle of nowhere, some will be thousands of miles away in the US.. Page load speed plays a part in your google ranking these days, so its important to ensure you have a fast server on a fast network.

    We dont resell anyones cloud, everything we do is our own (Network, Cloud Platform, Support Staff, Datacentre Suites etc)

    We're limited in what we can say in terms of self-promotion in this section of the forum, but you'll find a bunch of info on lots of hosts offerings in the Offers Section

    PS.. Its Serverstream :P
    [Any views expressed on this forum are my own, and may not represent the views of any organisation that I own or am connected with.]

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