Thread: 100mbit by 2017...

Originally Posted by Karl

3d needs to be 60fps to work - 30 for each eye As for the glasses, they are all going to rely on them - I'd prefer they used polarising ones though and not active shutter - but that'd require people to update their TVs.

Looks like it's polarising so will be needing a new TV!

Pretty sure most the big manufacturers who will be offering "3d TVs" are going for active shutter.

Originally Posted by JamesSykes

So sending two images is the same as sending one?

It's not two images it's one.

Where is this second image going to be displayed? On a seperate TV? You have TV which can display roughly 2 million pixels, 3D isn't doubling the number of pixels your TV can display. it's simply combining two images into one image of 2M pixels.

Tho' if you need to double the frame rate then yes depending on the protocol and compression you will need higher bandwidth as discussed before.

e107xs, it is two images one after the other, meaning you need double the frame rate.

Of course both frames of both pictures will have many pixels the same, so compression wise it clearly wont need to double the bitrate but there would be a fair increase. Id imagine youd just send the first frame then everything different in the second frame.

I think were getting some wires crossed. I never said that a dramatic increase in FPS wouldn't take up more bandwidth, but it seemed to me that people were saying that 3D TV's would somehow display two images at the same time. Displaying one picture after the other however quickly isn't the same time (though your brain may be fooled).

It will be interesting to watch progress but I remain unconvinced at the moment. Untill i need to make next to no effort to view in 3D i can't see me doing it.

Originally Posted by e107xs

I think were getting some wires crossed. I never said that a dramatic increase in FPS wouldn't take up more bandwidth, but it seemed to me that people were saying that 3D TV's would somehow display two images at the same time. Displaying one picture after the other however quickly isn't the same time (though your brain may be fooled).

It will be interesting to watch progress but I remain unconvinced at the moment. Untill i need to make next to no effort to view in 3D i can't see me doing it.

Er yes, for example SKY 3D broadcasts TWO images, one for each eye.

That takes more bandwidth than just sending the one image. Of course there is a likelihood that each image does not need to be as sharp as the single image, but ultimately it's going to have to need more bandwidth than a single stream.

I was talking to a mate in Sydney about the whole broadband speed, 100mbit by 2017 bollocks, and he asked me if it was feasible for net access to be net-on-demand, in terms of speed. You could use 'credits' (perhaps) to use an online panel, to request higher upload speeds for a short period, and then also boost downloading when you needed to and what not. Seemed like an OK idea, I'll just wait for the flaws to be pointed out

Originally Posted by JSamuel

I was talking to a mate in Sydney about the whole broadband speed, 100mbit by 2017 bollocks, and he asked me if it was feasible for net access to be net-on-demand, in terms of speed. You could use 'credits' (perhaps) to use an online panel, to request higher upload speeds for a short period, and then also boost downloading when you needed to and what not. Seemed like an OK idea, I'll just wait for the flaws to be pointed out

When I was living in Australia my ISP had something not too far from this. Basically they had traffic management policies, but if you ever got throttled, you could login and pay a small amount to have your limit/throttling removed and a clean run at the threshold again

Looks like they are doing some other clever things now too:

Internode :: Residential :: Product Features :: Data Blocks

So if you find yourself close to using up your monthly quota, you can simply purchase a 'block' of data online, and keep surfing without being Shaped. Alternatively, if you find yourself already over quota and subject to Shaping controls, you can purchase additional quota, have Shaping removed, and return to normal speed.

The Data Blocks are effectively an additional allowance that is added - just once - to your monthly base quota. If you find that you do this often, it may be more cost-effective to schedule a plan change to a higher quota plan, which will happen on your next billing date.

Ah, maybe that's where he had the inspiration from.
He did say for peak upload or peak download, but I guess it's same principals really, but that doesn't boost your connection, simply lets you pay to be off the shaping.

I was with OptusNet when I lived in Parramatta.
Wasn't involved in this industry at that point, which was a shame.

Originally Posted by UH-Matt

Looks like they are doing some other clever things now too

Enta have been doing the same for the last year

As someone trying to roll out a dark fibre service to 100 nearby business units debates like this are always interesting.

At the moment I'm trying to decide what a reasonable market price is for 10Mbit symmetric circuits are at 1:1 and 10:1 contentions out in the North Wales sticks (delivered over microwave).

Surely the answer to that John is whatever figure you can sell it for, assuming that is offering adequate margin to meet your business model?

The thing is I can price it at a level that sells to 75% of the target market but am I better off selling at a higher price to 10% and having less work and about the same total gross revenue?

Originally Posted by netserve

North Wales sticks (delivered over microwave).

Isnt fibre-whatsit all over wales and unable to even give the stuff away ?