LINX, Peering, POPing etc..

matt40k · 9th August 2007

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Originally Posted by DaVinciRisk

Human time that I am ready to pay extra for. I am not expecting this service for free for a rented server or a few U of space.

You actually pay for that. Lab use is chargeable by the hour.

Well, IMHO it is. The fact that they have an area which is totally unused and unusable as a DC isn't cause of concern to me: simply they are spending money once they get the previous investment back. It makes business sense IMHO.

Who cares? I get my bandwidth from my upstream. If RS believes that it is more cost effective to run 20GB of aggregated links, it's fine by me

Right.... I can't pay for someone to plug in a USB hdd... I have to PAY to have it put in a build room, PAY for the build room, PAY to get down there, PAY for it to go back.

I wasn't on about the empty bit of the DC. I was on about the whole DC. I just needs a handyman out for a few weeks to finish of the little bits, like the reception etc.

20GB is fine. But someone needs to do a OPEN exchange there before I class it as a TRUE DC. Yes the big guys have there own DC outside London, but they have there own 2x10GB trunked fibre, sometimes to each of there London POP. The fact is BS is for the smaller guy.

The reason I want LINX at BS is so I can get 2x Fibre 100mb connections for £160... OK you will need BGP, but you can pick one up cheap enough.

Cyberprog · 10th August 2007

Yes, but LINX is by definition, the London INternet eXchange

Why they'd POP maidenhead I don't know!

alexcf · 11th August 2007

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Originally Posted by matt40k

The reason I want LINX at BS is so I can get 2x Fibre 100mb connections for £160... OK you will need BGP, but you can pick one up cheap enough.

This made me smile, ever so slightly. First off, LINX won't do fibre into their Exchange at 100mb. Second, it's not just £160

. You could join LINX right now if you wanted to, there's nothing stopping you. There are providers who are able to pass you a Vlan back to BlueSq. and provide you with the service without any issues what-so-ever.

BGP isn't something you can pick up out the box, which is why NetSumo offer services to people so they are able to run BGP on their network. The other major issue is, it's a requirement of LINX to be "savvy" with what you're doing. Basically, on LINX, you're pretty much in the same boat as the big boys, BT, AOLTW, Virgin Media/Blueyonder/NTL - 5089, so you could "break" the internet as it were.

The issue is with anything like this is that LINX like any organisation, the investment required to open a new PoP is huge. I'm on one of the committees at LINX, and there is regular discussion for "new sites". As there are too many new sites popping up around London, and perhaps a little further out, there isn't really the audience at BlueSQ who would require/want a LINX connection. Also the major issue is getting dark fibre to the building, would it not? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but that's just my personal observation. Also, I'm not saying that there isn't anyone in BlueSQ who wouldn't want a LINX connection, but the huge important factor is how LINX will be able to support the site, as it will have to be a "spur" site due to the distance, and the increase in latency.

Hope that helps!

neilrbowen · 11th August 2007

The bigger point you missed out on alex, he seams to be under the impression by joining linx he gets free transit?

Noel_Colo-UK · 11th August 2007

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Originally Posted by neilrbowen

The bigger point you missed out on alex, he seams to be under the impression by joining linx he gets free transit?

2x 100mb fiber links with free transit for £160 I think we would all be having some of that if that was the case!

I don't think that is the case though £160 for two 100mb fiber trunks seems a bit cheap to me let alone with transit

alexcf · 11th August 2007

Urg, it's not fibre! :P.. Anyway, you actually do a hell of a lot of work to get good use out of LINX. Neil will back me up on this one, it takes a long time to build up relationships, and to build up traffic profiles to justify bigger players peering with you. LINX doesn't necessarily lower costs! Taking partial transit from people lik Goscomb, OHTele and Enta is a MUCH better option!

othellotech · 11th August 2007

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Originally Posted by matt40k

The reason I want LINX at BS is so I can get 2x Fibre 100mb connections for £160... OK you will need BGP, but you can pick one up cheap enough.

Is a significant amount of your traffic going to go to people who will be prepared to peer with you then ?

100Mb will be copper, 1Gb a choice of copper or fibre, 160/month for 1*100Mb, if using copper and connecting to the 2nd peering lan you get the 2nd connection free, plus £2k/year membership

No idea where you can pickup a "BGP"

Its a protocol not a device...

I doubt LINX will be PoPing BSq anytime soon, as those that are there and potential members in the main have their conectivity and networks somehwere that LINX has already setup a presence.

Karl · 11th August 2007

LINX didn't keep their Interxion PoP open, so I can't see them PoP'ing BSq any time soon - and Interxion is a proper DC, better than some of the DCs which have LINX available IMHO, but that's a whole other thread.

To be honest, with comments like your final sentance, I can see you getting quite a lot of negative votes and not being able to join, as people would be far too worried about you breaking things. BGP isn't like hooking up your ADSL at home.

Cyberprog · 11th August 2007

Yeah, exactly, if you're pushing enough transit to make linx worthwhile, the the odds are that by that point you probably know what you're doing (or you're renting someone who does, like cameron/rob/neil). It's certainley not a cheap option, i've looked at it multiple times to try and get better reliability, but for the traffic that I push, and the lack of knowledge and budget I have, I've stayed with just buying transit from someone else

JamesSykes · 16th August 2007

These days there are so many decent ISP's offering bandwidth at fairly reasonable prices that its not really worth going down the route of multihoming yourself UNLESS you specifically need some of the additional benefits of doing so. Like setting up a geographically diverse network for DR purposes for example.

Otherwise i'd leave it until you have the budget to cope with such a think properly. Or the knowledge yourself.

philb · 24th August 2007

Is it just me that doesn't see where the quote (or the context of it) comes from? Confusion reigns!

And as far as what James says about singlehoming on a decent network, never a truer word said. I am yet to fathom whatever the perceived benefits were of some of the more recent ASes.

Karl · 24th August 2007

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Originally Posted by philb

I am yet to fathom whatever the perceived benefits were of some of the more recent ASes.

The best ones are where they buy transit from two cheap providers - but haven't realised that one of those providers also relies on their other provider for most of their connectivity - classic.

nitrohosting · 24th August 2007

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The best ones are where they buy transit from two cheap providers - but haven't realised that one of those providers also relies on their other provider for most of their connectivity - classic.

Indeed, I've seen a few cases of that in the last year or so.

Karl · 24th August 2007

Yep, loads of it going on, people setting up offering transit without much of a clue and some secondhand tat from eBay. The best I saw recently was:

Provider 1 buys transit from A & B
A & B both buy transit from C
A also buys transit from B

Net result, A is a worthless connection to them.