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    Low latency server close to Nominet

    Looking for a server that is preferably peered with Nominet, with lowest latency and fastest response times to the DAC and EPP systems.

    I feel tsohost may no longer be up to the job. Are there any better alternatives now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimjimeroo View Post
    Looking for a server that is preferably peered with Nominet, with lowest latency and fastest response times to the DAC and EPP systems.

    I feel tsohost may no longer be up to the job. Are there any better alternatives now?
    There won't be a huge difference.

    Anyone in London Docklands (Telehouse North would be my suggestion) with a LINX membership (so peer with Nominet) and a network that's not overly busy

    I'n assuming Nominet are LINX members?
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    Quote Originally Posted by serverhouse View Post
    There won't be a huge difference.

    Anyone in London Docklands (Telehouse North would be my suggestion) with a LINX membership (so peer with Nominet) and a network that's not overly busy

    I'n assuming Nominet are LINX members?
    Both of Nominet's ASNs (8683 and 43519) are available via the various LINX exchanges. For DAC and EPP that's AS8683 on LON1 in Equinix LD4/5/6 in Slough as well as LON2 in Equinix LD9 (formerly Telecity Powergate) out at Park Royal.

    I believe Nominet fail services over between the sites semi regularly, so for the lowest possibly latency connection for drop catching, you'll need a server in each data centre using a provider who is peered locally.

    AS8683 is also connected to LONAP in THN, but that is then going to be backhauled out to Slough or Park Royal.
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    Thanks a lot for your replies.

    Is there anyway to quickly check a list of all hosts that have a Linx membership and whom are peered locally?

    I have been searching and testing out various hosts but none that have the desired results yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Freethought View Post
    Both of Nominet's ASNs (8683 and 43519) are available via the various LINX exchanges. For DAC and EPP that's AS8683 on LON1 in Equinix LD4/5/6 in Slough as well as LON2 in Equinix LD9 (formerly Telecity Powergate) out at Park Royal.

    I believe Nominet fail services over between the sites semi regularly, so for the lowest possibly latency connection for drop catching, you'll need a server in each data centre using a provider who is peered locally.

    AS8683 is also connected to LONAP in THN, but that is then going to be backhauled out to Slough or Park Royal.
    How about Freethought hosting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimjimeroo View Post
    Thanks a lot for your replies.

    Is there anyway to quickly check a list of all hosts that have a Linx membership and whom are peered locally?

    I have been searching and testing out various hosts but none that have the desired results yet.
    You can see a list of LINX members at https://www.linx.net/about/member-list (and LONAP members at https://www.lonap.net/members.shtml), however you can't tell if they are peering with Nominet unless they have a "looking glass" or similar online diagnostic utility.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimjimeroo View Post
    How about Freethought hosting?
    We peer with Nominet over LINX and LONAP in THN, but our servers are based in LDeX1, so you would be going LDeX1->THN->LD4/5/6 OR LD9. This is pretty low latency due to the short distance involved, but it won't be as fast as staying within LD4/5/6 or LD9.
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    Out of interest, as I've been blessed to never had to deal with Nominet stuff:
    Where are we testing to? I guess dac.nic.uk?
    What is 'good' - what do you currently get? - is 0.8ms 'slow' for example (THN)?

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    You're correct, test traceroute to dac.nic.uk, you want the lowest latency and fewest hops possible.

    2 hops with a total time of 0.8ms is still better than 1 hop at 1.2ms.

    You preferably want 1-2 hops at a total time of less than 0.8ms to be really competitive in dropcatching UK domains I think.

    I've had considerable success with an existing server at TSO which is around 0.7ms (it is an older server I've had for years), but their networking and results are slowly getting worse and less desirable. It used to be 0.4ms.
    Last edited by jimjimeroo; 7th February 2018 at 03:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimjimeroo View Post
    You're correct, test traceroute to dac.nic.uk, you want the lowest latency and fewest hops possible.

    2 hops with a total time of 0.8ms is still better than 1 hop at 1.2ms.

    You preferably want 1-2 hops at a total time of less than 0.8ms to be really competitive in dropcatching UK domains I think.

    I've had considerable success with an existing server at TSO which is around 0.7ms (it is an older server I've had for years), but their networking and results are slowly getting worse and less desirable. It used to be 0.4ms.
    Interesting. I guess that throws THN more or less out on the borderline, I actually did worse from LD5 so I guess that means it's currently in powergate. Good luck with getting a VM from someone in there, LD4/5/6/10 is probably easier but you'd need both to stay under 0.8 and switch between the two right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by connected View Post
    Interesting. I guess that throws THN more or less out on the borderline, I actually did worse from LD5 so I guess that means it's currently in powergate. Good luck with getting a VM from someone in there, LD4/5/6/10 is probably easier but you'd need both to stay under 0.8 and switch between the two right?
    Correct. So far I have only found one host that is only 1 hop, but for some reason still 1.5ms, which is still slow.

    Still looking. So if anyone has any servers to offer or knows of a host, please PM me.

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    Realistically look at end to end latency not hop count.

    Most networks nowadays won't actually show you the internal transport that is happening vs how many real hops it is.

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    Testing response times to Nominet EPP/DAC is pretty hit and miss as they block ping/traceroute to the boxes themselves, so the best you can do on that front is to their network equipment, where you're subject to control plane rate limiting. This is why you can see big variations in different tests from the same server.

    You're best off using something like hping SYN tests so that you can test the actual time to the end host with TCP, but if you're doing this then you need to make sure that you only compare the times with other hping SYN tests, otherwise you're comparing apples and oranges.

    With Nominet splitting their LON1 and LON2 peering ports between LD4/5/6 and LD9, it's not just where the Nominet services are currently operating from that's important, but also which of the two LINX networks you are connecting over.

    TSOhost were bought by Host Europe Group (123-Reg, Webfusion etc.) who were in turn brought by GoDaddy, so I'd imagine that they're consolidating everything.
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    The problem of course is it would become very expensive to sign up and test every single possible host.

    This is why I ask for traceroute prior to purchasing, to ascertain and get an idea is all. There have been some hosts I have had to sign up and pay for, I see it as a research cost though. But of course would rather not be forced to pay for every single host, if possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Freethought View Post
    TSOhost were bought by Host Europe Group (123-Reg, Webfusion etc.) who were in turn brought by GoDaddy, so I'd imagine that they're consolidating everything.
    Correct. They no longer even offer the server I currently have running, but they have promised to keep it running where it has always been unless I cancel. This 'promise' isn't enough for me though, and they can change it at will. Hence again why I am in need of a new host.

    Surprisingly, no host I have tested yet has come close to response times and performance of my existing server. I just need something that is at least comparable so I can move over.

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    It's certainly very interesting, and reminds me just ever so slightly of the financial HFT guys at the very turn of the century. I think surely if there's money to be made doing this, then one would be best of to do it properly and get a quarter rack as in Powergate and LD5, with LINX connections and connections to all thier upstreams at a given site (i.e cogent at powergate) so that your connectivity exactly mirrors theres in each site with very tight monitoring to detect when they switch sites and follow that movement. Not extremely costly or difficult.

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    Anymore updates on this? I have run tests with Astutium that seemed ok, anyone else with recommendations please?

    I will pay someone 100 if they can provide me with an even better host with connectivity that isn't ridiculous expensive. Providing certain conditions and such are met of course.

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    Nobody? There must be something out there better than the crap Paragon group are serving up.

    Are there really no others hosts operating out of Equinix slough that are peered with Nominet on Linx?

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