For mass market value servers surely Dell is the best choice by far?
If you're looking to heat a small flat, then they're marginally cheaper than a convection radiator from Argos yes.
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HP seem overpriced
the dl360's alwsys seemed a reasonable price to me.
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custom builds are just a disaster waiting to happen?
We've had less problems with custom builds than the mass produced sh!te from the big-names over the last 10+ years - all depends on how much you want to spend and on what.
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If you're looking to heat a small flat, then they're marginally cheaper than a convection radiator from Argos yes.
Have you taken a look at the new Dual Core Xeon Dells? Expecially those from the EnergySmart series. I know the old Dells were power *****s and produced huge amounts of heat... but the new Dells I had delivered during March seem hugely improved and seem quite lean on the power front too.
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Do you go direct to HP?
No, we have an account manager with 3c Technology who are a large reseller and can negotiate us a great deal. This way they do all the chasing and bashing for a deal which saves me the bother
From a sourcing point of view I always prefered DELL for the convienence e.g. tell them what you want, some guy/gal starts building it in Ireland and few days later it gets delivered.
I thought HP just did "stock" specs like default amounts of memory and disk and then you took it from there, ordering HP parts with it or after and upgrading yourself - admittedly I have only ever purchased one HP Proliant and I use it as my workstation at home.
Custom builds - appriciate the pride bit and you know whats in it bit - but dont really get the benifits return for the additional effort, unless your building a box for a specific purpous that would benifit from hardware setup in a certain way, a router say.
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Have you taken a look at the new Dual Core Xeon Dells? Expecially those from the EnergySmart series. I know the old Dells were power *****s and produced huge amounts of heat... but the new Dells I had delivered during March seem hugely improved and seem quite lean on the power front too.
Absolutely correct - we only started using Dell instead of custom builds when the new range came out which, for the first time ever, uses less power than our own builds. I never thought i'd see the day when I could say that, but it is true!
As for reliability, we've not been using Dell long enough for me to be able to comment, but our self-builds have certainly been what I'd consider reliable; like anything else, i think it comes down to how they're built, and you can't apply a "they're all crap" label to them; some companies self-build to save money, others do it because they believe they're putting together a better/more reliable box than what can be purchased off the shelf.
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Just to add to that, we've seen some of the HP DL145's recently and our techies universally concluded that they're overpriced crap, really awkward to deal with. IMO Dell do know how to put a good server together, even if they are a PITA to deal with!
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As with most things in life, you get what you pay for. IMO no-one makes servers as well as Sun. That being said, I used to be a big fan of IBM servers, but quite frankly they're just plain over-priced these days.
What I like about Dell is that you can work out the spec on the website, order and get it delivered with that, rather than having to mess about putting in memory, disks etc. From a price/performance point of view, they're pretty hard to beat.
HP kit can be very hit and miss depending on the particular model, as long as you know which ones to avoid I'd say they're pretty decent.
IBM - I like the IBM boxes, you can really see where your money goes with them. They do seem over-priced though, but as I say, they are very well engineered and have some useful features on the higher end kit.
Sun - The X2100 etc. are okay, but frankly you can build just as good, with a Tyan Transporter (Which is basically what they are, but with Sun colours and usually less drive bays).
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Sun - The X2100 etc. are okay, but frankly you can build just as good, with a Tyan Transporter (Which is basically what they are, but with Sun colours and usually less drive bays).
To be honest I don't really know why Sun bother with the X2100 - they've cut out all the features to be price competitive with the Dells/HPs etc, in the process removing everything that you'd want to buy a Sun for anyway.
The SP on the X4100s and above (and the older v20z/v40z) is superb, completely removing the need for remote power-bar and IP-KVM.
The T2000 is very low on power usage, but it really rather depends on your application whether it's suitable or not.
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I was all set on HP until I realised they're using small form factor (SFF) 2.5" disks on everything except their 5U/tower model (from what I can see) on models with over 4 disks.
